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Two new pokemon were revealed in the demo:

Yamper, an electric-type

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Impidimp, a dark/fairy

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I think it's interesting that they made a dark/fairy

 

pokemon went full garbage. You can't transfer non-galar pokemon into the game

Yeah, I don't like that either, but I think that's for game balance.


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Two new pokemon were revealed in the demo:

Yamper, an electric-type

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Impidimp, a dark/fairy

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I think it's interesting that they made a dark/fairy

 

Yeah, I don't like that either, but I think that's for game balance.

Not really, it just makes it so all the old gens don't matter anymore


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Not really, it just makes it so all the old gens don't matter anymore

Well Megas and Z-Moves aren't in the games either, so there's that. But I think there are a number of factors regarding that decision.


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No Non-Galar and no Megas is legit killing my interest in the game and is SUPER deflating. Like, Mega Pokemon ARE different Pokemon. Even if the Dex is the largest of any gens at over 500 that still leaves a bit under half the Pokemon unobtainable. And yea, I'm fine with that being the case from the start. Bank didn't go live for Gen 6 and 7 right away. But what even is the point of Home if it only moves Pokemon into Sw/Sh if they are already there. Why am I going to want to move my Pokemon on a one way trip into Home if half of them are stuck there. If they didn't want non-Galar Pokemon and Megas and Z-Moves useable in competitive play they could have just made that the rule. Taking away the ability to even have them in the game is just an awful feeling.
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I've seen people say that this could be an incentive to buy the Gen 4 remakes if they eventually exist (even then some Pokémon will likely not be available there too either), but yeah it does legitimately suck.


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It stinks so hard. They need to get their act together. Do they want us to "Catch 'em all" or not?


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Some further details about Pokémon Sword & Shield were revealed in Famitsu. Within the interview with Masuda and Ohmori, it was confirmed that there is currently no decision to bring the existing Pokémon that can't be in Sword & Shield back into the game using patches, but those that don't will still have an active role in Pokémon HOME.


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I have never cared about the feature, though I always thought it was a neat feature, and that it made you want to keep your team forever, and I believe I read that you can still transfer them to Home, just not to Sword and Shield, I know that people want to use their competitive teams, so that sucks, especially due to how difficult it is to get a team together with max IVs and all that stuff.

 

That being said, I personally don't want to use the members, if I were to do it early game, that would defeat the purpose of a whole new world to explore, and late them, it just feels like cheating, the only thing is to fill out the Dex, though it feels a bit cheap to just do that instead of catching the Pokemon instead. It doesn't have any impact on me, and won't ever have any.

 

I doubt they'll change it too, while people did manage to make them change Mario Maker 2 to allow online co-op, this feels like a more design oriented decision from the get-go, since they have said that they don't want so many Pokemon that it feels overwhelming, and that the amount of work that goes into 1000+ Pokemon animation is just getting out of hand, especially when moving unto a whole new platform, I can get that, and it was probably inevitable. it doesn't look great for them, and I don't really know how they could have handled it better, because the decision was probably made a long time ago, they most likely have thought about doing it for a while, but that now with new system in place, they had little choice in the matter.



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I could swear it was gotta catch em all

 

Not gotta catch some of em


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You know, the Galar only thing really does suck behind to obvious reason. This is going to be the discourse around the game at basically all points until they backpedal. And it is deflating since the game looks really good. The new Pokemon look amazing. The wild area is really cool. The idea of a new competitive format is exciting. The music is stupidly good. But we're going to keep coming back to this and talk in circles. Sigh....

 

I have never cared about the feature, though I always thought it was a neat feature, and that it made you want to keep your team forever, and I believe I read that you can still transfer them to Home, just not to Sword and Shield, I know that people want to use their competitive teams, so that sucks, especially due to how difficult it is to get a team together with max IVs and all that stuff.
 
That being said, I personally don't want to use the members, if I were to do it early game, that would defeat the purpose of a whole new world to explore, and late them, it just feels like cheating, the only thing is to fill out the Dex, though it feels a bit cheap to just do that instead of catching the Pokemon instead. It doesn't have any impact on me, and won't ever have any.
 
I doubt they'll change it too, while people did manage to make them change Mario Maker 2 to allow online co-op, this feels like a more design oriented decision from the get-go, since they have said that they don't want so many Pokemon that it feels overwhelming, and that the amount of work that goes into 1000+ Pokemon animation is just getting out of hand, especially when moving unto a whole new platform, I can get that, and it was probably inevitable. it doesn't look great for them, and I don't really know how they could have handled it better, because the decision was probably made a long time ago, they most likely have thought about doing it for a while, but that now with new system in place, they had little choice in the matter.


I mean, you can still use any of the competitive Pokemon you breed in past gens now. Like my Clefable in Y is more or less going to be the same as one I'd want in SwSh.

The issue isn't the main game. I almost always exclusively use the new Pokemon when I play the game proper. Even if I wanted to it wouldn't be until early next year that I even could so for most people not having access right away isn't an issue either. That was expected. It's one thing to know eventually all Pokemon will be in SwSh, another to know that, no, it isn't happening. And what is lost is the ability to play with friends and not having access to past favorites. It is having caught them all and having no use for half the Pokemon suddenly (this is the one that bothers me). I don't even mind that completive Pokemon is going to have half them banned. Honestly, I think that is a good thing. It allows for new environments and can help fight against power creep since lord knows that's been a major issue for the franchise for years. When MTG introduced Standard and rotation people rioted, but the new stuff was still being add to the old in older formats. That isn't the case anymore. Everything that isn't making it into SwSh is frozen in time for in game play and that feels bad.

I honestly don't fault them for the amount of work moving over 910 functionally unique Pokemon into SwSh on top of adding what is likely to be another 100 odd Pokemon. And the Mario Maker 2 comparison isn't the best since they've said they were intending to having online friend play, but couldn't get it finished for release. Here I fully agree they didn't have any plans to bring them over. Them having no plans at present to bring in the old Pokemon means no work has been begone. Doing models and animation for 500 odd Pokemon is not a small endeavor. At the earliest I imagine they might be able to get most of them for the game coming out in 2020. Though this will only make the first versions that much more inferior to the 3rd version which has been an issue for the games forever.

I will note two things though. First, that online battlers like Pokemon Showdown can very easily just ignore this. If they wanted to make a format that just added the new stuff to the stuff in limbo they can. To use the MTG analogy, it would be Legacy to SwSh's standard. Second, as brought up by British, Home is going to give the limbo Pokemon something to do if they are put into it. This is REALLY important since moving them into what is basically a jail for half of them is dumb and awful. What that is I honestly have no idea, but maybe they aren't dead just yet. What I do know is this has been met with damn near universal unhappiness I doubt they can just ignore that.
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That gym battle theme is interesting, EDM music like this may not seem to fit, but England does have a big EDM scene, not sure if it's a coincidence, probably and there have been a variety of genres in the music over the years so may just be them trying something new.

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I could swear it was gotta catch em all

 

Not gotta catch some of em

I agree. To quote Itionoben, "It's stuff like this that makes me want to go up to Gamefreak, grab them by the shoulders, look them in the eye and say "WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?!"."


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I could swear it was gotta catch em all

 

Not gotta catch some of em

It still is "Gotta catch 'em all." It's just been amended to "Gotta catch 'em all through multiple games."


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Generic Pkmn question, Flame you have ORAS right, did you ever get the Eon ticket in it?


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Generic Pkmn question, Flame you have ORAS right, did you ever get the Eon ticket in it?


I'm honestly not sure.
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One thing of note from the demos is the confirmation that Max Moves, much like Z-Moves, will have varying power based upon the original move. For example, Spark will turn into Max Lightning with 120 Base Power while Wild Charge turns into Max Lightning with 130 Base Power.


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Really does feel like Dynamax is just a new version of Z-Moves given that.

In other news Pokemon put out an official statement about the Gen cut off. It doesn't really say much, but it does show that they know people are VERY unhappy.
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Mashida also told people upset about the nat dex to effectively pound sand...


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I mean, what did you want him to say. They can't undo this choice. If they haven't worked on bring over the non-Galar Pokemon they won't be ready for almost a year so saying "we'll patch them in" feels hollow if they aren't ready come the new games.

I'm as unhappy about this as anyone. But I don't begrudge them for doing this. Eventually this was going to need to be tested. We are going to have over 1000 mechanically unique Pokemon come SwSh. At some point they were going to need to see if it was possible to not have every Pokemon in a new Gen.

The only thing they could really say at this junction was that they know people are upset and that this isn't the end of the line for past Pokemon.
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